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| | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 17,985 Likes: 1 Moderator | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 17,985 Likes: 1 | I'll harken back to 1st edition. The Paladin had more "stat" requirements than any other class - including a 17 charisma! The only stat that they didn't have a requirement for was dex. So, conceptually, I understand why you would dump dex. But Dex also is needed for range attacks, initiative rolls and armor class - all of them important for a fighter type. Intelligence might be a better dump because it's primarily about knowledge and arcane/wizard type magic. Paladins draw magical power from wisdom. | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 15,098 Likes: 10 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 15,098 Likes: 10 | As much as a PC loves to have Stealth, and as a Knight of the Wood, or something like that, he would need that skill. I can't take all that he has to be at 1st level. So some spots will have holes.
The trick is what numerically (because I am a math head and that is how I roll) works out most advantageous. I like the two 16s but that forces an 8 someplace as well as giving up the 12.
I know that the character will level given time but it isn't likely to be too fast and attribute bumps are far apart.
Haven't got to the skill section in the PHB yet. It seems a different sort of organization, no "here is the summary" section. Maybe I just haven't found it yet. But no matter I will work through it.
Honestly if I looked at 4 skills without regard to the backgrounds etc... I think Athletics, Survival (both given by Outlander, why I picked it), Stealth and Insight. Though someplace I would love to see Nature in his mix. Instead of Medicine. But I can live without Stealth, heavy armor and all that. Insight and the first two he can have. So all I have to figure out is Nature at some point.
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| | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 15,098 Likes: 10 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 15,098 Likes: 10 | How does one get other skills, at level 1 or higher? | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 27,616 Moderator | Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 27,616 | Part of background, class or race. | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 17,985 Likes: 1 Moderator | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 17,985 Likes: 1 | Since I'll be playing too, I should say what it is I'm playing. I'll be playing a halfling rogue (arcane trickster).
The roster as I think it is so far....
AJ: Fighter (Eldritch Knight) Dragonborn Nivek: Cleric Dwarf Gypsy: Rogue Human MikeD: Ranger Human Zeim: Warlock Tiefling Pande: Paladin Dragonborn Kenseg: Bard/Wizard Mina: TBD Exeter: Cleric Human Neptune: Rogue (Arcane Trickster) Halfling
| | | | Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 47,998 Likes: 1 Moderator | Moderator Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 47,998 Likes: 1 | I'm taking a -8 in Dex, wearing Heavy armor though and going to make so much noise that there will be no stealth | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 42,134 Likes: 5 Member | Member Joined: May 2000 Posts: 42,134 Likes: 5 | I am going in the other party <weg>
MikeD
| | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 17,985 Likes: 1 Moderator | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 17,985 Likes: 1 | LOL. -8 dex means that surprise will be rare. He might as well wear a helmet that glows and put bells on his toes | | | | Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 47,998 Likes: 1 Moderator | Moderator Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 47,998 Likes: 1 | if they add to wisdom or strength, I'll take them | | | | Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 22,164 Likes: 8 (Buffalo) Moderator | (Buffalo) Moderator Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 22,164 Likes: 8 | All in all looks like it'll be pretty easy to put two balanced parties together. Especially if Mina likes Wizards. | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 17,985 Likes: 1 Moderator | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 17,985 Likes: 1 | I posted my character sheet in the gallery as the text for the picture. The format I used was stolen from Nivek's. I thought it was simple and clear. There's no reason to hide your sheets. Remove anything you think is "private" for your DM and PM him (when you find out who it is).
If you have a more elaborate format, like a filled in PDF, post that instead. No problem-o. | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 15,098 Likes: 10 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 15,098 Likes: 10 | I posted a text version of my character sheet in the gallery. Please people with more familiarity take a look and see if it is done correctly. As always with a first foray things might go awry. Thanks | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 27,616 Moderator | Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 27,616 | I just eyeballed mine on notepad. I'll append to the gallery. | | | | Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 173,493 Likes: 7 Babylon 5 Rules Administrator | Babylon 5 Rules Administrator Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 173,493 Likes: 7 | Okay, put me in the non LE group please Leave the evil buggers to kill each other off. | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 27,616 Moderator | Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 27,616 | Don't worry, backstabbing other party members is clearly and explicitly banned. I suspect the LE folk are just going to be greedy, unscrupulous, willing to kill every being outside of civilised areas that try to get in the party's way. You know, adventurers. | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 15,098 Likes: 10 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 15,098 Likes: 10 | Wow I didn't even look at the algnments. I created a Paladin you know LG. This particular one is a encourager of the light, believe in life and goodness. He is so going to die a short death if in the LE party, even if they do agree on Law. | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 27,616 Moderator | Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 27,616 | As per the Adventurer's League rules: No Undermining of Other Characters During Adventures. Adventurers are brought together by common cause, and during an adventure, they’re expected to work together to overcome challenges. Though certain factions might find others distasteful, individuals will put that aside and become a team when put in dangerous situations. In short, play nice with each other when things get deadly. You'll be fine. The same thing that prevents your guy smiting my guy prevents my guy stabbing yours: We're in this together come what may despite any personal misgivings. | | | | Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 173,493 Likes: 7 Babylon 5 Rules Administrator | Babylon 5 Rules Administrator Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 173,493 Likes: 7 | Yeah except unless they have changed the rules a Paladin can't associate with an evil character. Haven't really read up on that recently but that is definitely how I would play a LG paladin. "Don't worry Pally, you can hang out with my wizard | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 17,985 Likes: 1 Moderator | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 17,985 Likes: 1 | OK. Here's a fact. Zeim and I are both <ahem> Zhentarim so there's no "evil" party and no party devoid of an "evil" presence. I know that my PC leans to the criminal side of neutral. Is he going to commit murder? Will he rape and pillage? Is he going to torture innocent children? No. Will he feel guilty about lying to a guard to get past him? Maybe, but he'll get over it. Will he roll loaded dice in a game of chance? Yes, because the ends justifies the means, until he gets caught.
The ultra good (read goody two-shoes paladins and clerics) might find it a particular challenge to try and help him and other lost souls like him repent for his sins and show him the way. While they're doing that he might be palming the coin from their collection plates.
In Adventurer League play the 5 factions (including the mostly evil Zhentarim) are unifying to keep the Cult of the Dragon from succeeding. Consider it a roleplaying challenge to work with those who have lesser morals. | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 17,985 Likes: 1 Moderator | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 17,985 Likes: 1 | Ken,
Paladins are not prohibited from associating with evil people. The fact that you (metagaming) know a PC's alignment does not trigger your PC's Divine Sense (detect evil). That's reserved for demons, devils, desecrated areas and undead.
Also from the Adventure's League Allowed Alignments
D&D Adventurers League play focuses on creating a welcoming, fun environment. Though we recognize that most players are able to portray characters who run a wide range of motivations, we’ve decided to restrict alignment choices to keep groups from becoming too self-destructive. The following alignments are not allowed in the D&D Adventurers League:
• Neutral evil • Chaotic evil
In addition, the following alignment is restricted to Lords’ Alliance or Zhentarim faction characters only:
• Lawful evil
| | | | Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 173,493 Likes: 7 Babylon 5 Rules Administrator | Babylon 5 Rules Administrator Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 173,493 Likes: 7 | What can I say, old school here. | | | | Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 47,998 Likes: 1 Moderator | Moderator Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 47,998 Likes: 1 | Yeah I saw all those Zentarim's. Will be fun, especially with some of the background traits I have. | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 15,098 Likes: 10 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 15,098 Likes: 10 | There is a reason why most of my games, DnD or otherwise don't have alignments anymore. | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 42,134 Likes: 5 Member | Member Joined: May 2000 Posts: 42,134 Likes: 5 | Depends on your view of the 'lawful' part of LE Nep <weg>
As for LG 'consorting' with LE, how are you supposed to help them see the error of the path they have chosen, and so get them onto the correct one Ken? Why you have to lead by example <weg>
In the end, alignment plays a part in giving your character direction ... just like the 'ideal', the 'bond' and the 'flaw' that you select as part of your background help with that sort of thing.
MikeD
| | | | Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 173,493 Likes: 7 Babylon 5 Rules Administrator | Babylon 5 Rules Administrator Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 173,493 Likes: 7 | Hey, that is the paladin and cleric's problem. I am a wizard. As long as they don't mess with my spell book or any scrolls or wands we find, I am cool. If they do, they are toast | | |
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