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I noticed in the PDF introduction I downloaded that the cleric's saving throw abilities are wisdom and charisma, but it doesn't say anything about charisma being tied to turn undead or anything else I can find.

Is there any particular reason my character cleric would need a higher score than 10 in charisma?

None that I see, but I haven't read all the rules yet.

<LE>I have no interest in damaging, harming or otherwise rendering unusable any spell books, scrolls or magic items.</LE>

<Turns AJ into a newt>

Now that is evil.

In the new context, my impression of LE is basically "selfish". It is no longer the person who tortures women and children, as it used to be in old versions. It is now just the person who thinks mostly of what they personally have to gain from working with others than doing so for any sort of intrinsic good ideals. They are in it for personal power, not to help others. If helping others gains them that personal power, they're fine with that.

I think you nailed it there Zeim <g>

If you consider pop culture, Han Solo can be considered L/E thru all of the Star Wars films.

At the end of Episode IV, when he comes back to help Luke, it can be argued that he does it because he sees the chance for personal glory and power more than for any altruistic reasons. After all, he becomes a General by the end of Episode VI. Also during Episode V he sees that he can't get anywhere working with the Empire, and he ends up with a personal debt to Luke for freeing him from the Carbonite.

By siding with the Rebels during the films he has gone from a unknown, petty smuggler to one of the most powerful men in the new power structure.

Here are some other heroes with dubious alignments.

Catwoman
Judge Dredd
Hellboy
Constantine
Angel and Spike (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
Spawn
Jack Bauer

A couple of nifty links I found:


Handy-dandy player reference

5e Spellbook that makes spell cards (a la 4e)

Hmmm I have to disagree with several of those. Solo, Constantine and Angel, at least are not 'evil' as I envision it. More like Chaotic something. I would say chaotic good for them ... CN for spawn, spike & hellboy ... although I am on the fence about Hellboy. I could make a case for CG for him <g>

Don't know Baur, but agree that Catwoman is CE or LE.

All worthy of debate, which proves the point that alignments aren't black and white. There are degrees of good and evil. How can you tell by just looking? Is Donald Sterling evil or stupid (or both)? What about his gal-pal Viviana Stiviano? Is she evil for throwing him under the bus and profiting from his misery?

-Constantine was slated for an eternity in hell after committing suicide.

-Angel/aka Angelus, was called the "The Scourge of Europe" up until he was cursed to have a soul again.

-Spawn was an assassin who made a pact with a demon.

Now my guests have departed, should have my character ready by tomorrow I hope! Still waiting for my new book to arrive (tomorrow hopefully) but will go forward with the pdf if not

I have some background I want to discuss with the GM in PM.. do I talk to Neptune, Zeim or both of you?

Both please. Not sure we're set with who is in which GMs game.

BTW, the upper topic on alignment as regards my comments that MikeD agreed with that Evil is more "selfish", I believe they are moving to a more motivational type of alignment rather than an action based alignment.

IOW it is not so much what you do but more why you did it. So two pcs could both help a village chase off a band of orcs, but the Good pc does it because he feels it is a worthwhile thing to do but the evil pc does it because it will make him a hero in the town and therefore bring him fame and power.

Same acts, different motivations.

Yup <g>

I just sent my first crack at a character sheet for my cleric to Neptune and Zeim.

Feedback provided.

Hmm. I only posted mine in the gallery. Do you want me to PM it as well?

Gallery is perfect.

Just a question.
Why can't I see Pandemonium's character portrait in the gallery view?

I was wondering about that myself. So far I haven't figured it out.

It showed up first day and then stopped. If you click the graphic link in the middle of the picture it takes you to it. Not sure why it won't show like the grown up peeps. I have issues, what can I say. There is a reason why I have the moniker I do.

Ex> I have that exact picture for an old Paladin character of mine (Astrianna).