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| | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 Wobbly Headed Administrator |  Wobbly Headed Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 | Thanks for the overview, Saph.  I saw they'd changed some of the tribes and wandered if they'd removed much of the weirdness like they did in Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition. | | | | | Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 99 Likes: 1 Member | | Member Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 99 Likes: 1 | Thanks for the overview, Saph. I saw they'd changed some of the tribes and wandered if they'd removed much of the weirdness like they did in Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition. Definitely. It's so bland now that a lot of the tribes don't really have much identity. In doing so, they've created such an overlap with auspices (the Ghost Council writeup might as well be the theurge writeup) that it's all an indistinct mess. The book contradicts itself a lot on what the Garou are actually for now as well. (I wrote about a thousand words of criticism on the topic elsewhere, but I'll spare you all the word count.  )
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| | | | | Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 99 Likes: 1 Member | | Member Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 99 Likes: 1 | Since so much of the TTRPG industry is crowdfunded now, and I back several per month (up to 13 this month! 😅), would a periodic writeup of nifty ongoing and upcoming TTRPG kickstarters be of use to anyone? (Not to co-opt this topic, just don't want to go making a thread for it if I'll be talking to myself!) | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 78,769 Likes: 68 Wizop Administrator | | Wizop Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 78,769 Likes: 68 | I think it would be interesting for the members to know what future potential there might be. And it might encourage more investment also, never a bad thing. I'll set you up a thread in this section. No long term commitment but as long as it interests you Thanks! | | | | | Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 99 Likes: 1 Member | | Member Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 99 Likes: 1 | I think it would be interesting for the members to know what future potential there might be. And it might encourage more investment also, never a bad thing. I'll set you up a thread in this section. No long term commitment but as long as it interests you Thanks! That's great! Thanks Gypsy! I'll go whip something up. | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 10,798 Likes: 2 Administrator | | OP Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 10,798 Likes: 2 | SeptemberAtlas GamesKitty Noir (Magical Kitties 2E) Game Master Kit (Magical Kitties 2E) ChaosiumPendragon 6th Edition Starter Set Mongoose PublishingParanoia: The Perfect Edition Paranoia: The Accomplice Book Paranoia: GM's Screen Paizo PublishingStarfinder Flip-Mat: Mining Operation Pathfinder Adventure Path: Sky King's Tomb Part 3 - Heavy is the Crown Pathfinder Flip-Mat Classics: Haunted Dungeon Roll for CombatBattlezoo Ancestries: Dragons HC Battlezoo: Bestiary HC Battlezoo: Jewel of the Indigo Isles HC Rowan, Rook and Decard LtdDie: The Roleplaying Game HC | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 Wobbly Headed Administrator | | Wobbly Headed Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 | Great to see Magical Kitties growing. Kitty Noir is the perfect setting for it. | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 10,798 Likes: 2 Administrator | | OP Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 10,798 Likes: 2 | OctoberMonte Cook GamesOld Gods of Appalachia RPG Rulebook HC Old Gods of Appalachia RPG: Player's Guide The Weird Paizo PublishingPathfinder Flip-Mat: Rusthenge Starfinder Enhanced Pathfinder Adventure Path: Season of Ghosts Part 1 - The Summer That Never Was Pathfinder Lost Omens: Travel Guide Special Edition Pathfinder Adventure: Rusthenge Wizards of the CoastD&D: Bigby Presents Glory of the Giants HC D&D: Phandelver and Below - The Shattered Obelisk HC D&D: Planescape - Adventures in the Multiverse HC | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 Wobbly Headed Administrator | | Wobbly Headed Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 | The Weird might be one of those books that's handy for all GMs to have on their shelf. The sort of thing you might flick through before a session to help stoke your imagination. https://www.montecookgames.com/the-weird/Every chapter gives you advice on how to make a particular topic more interesting, then gives you literally hundreds of actionable ideas to run with. NPCs, creatures, places, magic items, gear, spells, abilities, names, appearances, backgrounds, plots, structures, vehicles—and yes, even player characters—each get a chapter. Make anything in your game more interesting! Sometimes it's hearing someone else's ideas of how to inject some spice that spurs me to come up with my own. Enthusiasm is contagious. | | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,144 Likes: 16 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,144 Likes: 16 | Very cool idea Nem!
Might have to pick it up! | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 10,798 Likes: 2 Administrator | | OP Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 10,798 Likes: 2 | NovemberMongoose PublishingTraveller: Trailing Frontier Monte Cook GamesThe Devil's Dandy Dogs The Glimmering Valley Paizo PublishingPathfinder: Player Core Book Pathfinder: GM Core Book Pathfinder Flip-Mat: Night Market & Shrine Starfinder Flip-Mat: Living Starships Pathfinder Adventure Path: Season of Ghosts Part 2 - Let the Leaves Fall Renegade Game StudiosPower Rangers RPG: Finster's Monster-Magic Cookbook HC Transformers RPG: Decepticon Dice Set Transformers RPG: Decepticon Dice Bag Transformers RPG: A Beacon of Hope Adventure & Game Master Screen December 2023 Gods of Metal: Ragnarock RPG HC Roll for CombatBattlezoo Bestiary: Strange & Unusual HC Wizards of the CoastD&D: The Deck of Many Things HC | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 Wobbly Headed Administrator | | Wobbly Headed Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 | Oooh, now Gods of Metal Ragnarok is a game I can get behind! Heavy metal fantasy RPG. It's like a tabletop version of Brütal Legend! | | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,144 Likes: 16 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,144 Likes: 16 | Funny!
I completely missed that in the listings. I hit the traveller stuff and went into blah blah mode.
Thanks for pointing it out! | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 Wobbly Headed Administrator | | Wobbly Headed Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 | You wanna know something crazy? I have never played Traveller. Ever. In any iteration. I should probably remedy that some day. Heck, I don't even know what it's about other than it's sci-fi! | | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,144 Likes: 16 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,144 Likes: 16 | Most of my traveler experience goes via the wayback machine. When it first started it was a life path character creation system. What that essentially means is you made rolls to see where your life took you along the path. In their infinite gamist wisdom, you could die on that path. So each roll to make a better character carried with it an inherent risk. My friends and I are all nerds, yes shocking I know. One friend decided it was stupid to get 20 rolls into creating the character you wanted and have it expire, thus end. So he sat down and wrote a program in basic on an old computer that ran thousands of iterations to get different characters and took out the ones that died. So you could munchkin your character even though there were rolls and tables involved. We had fun playing Traveler, but I can't speak to current versions. I would personally say there are much better sci-fi game systems out there now. No need to go back to what it once was. But at least it was a start! | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 Wobbly Headed Administrator | | Wobbly Headed Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 | Being Munchkin is a way of life. I think Mongoose changed Traveller's system back in D&D 3e days and it's been their baby ever since. They've also made a Traveller prequel called 2300AD, about humanity's first contacts. They have 15 core rulebooks listed on their site! That's a lot of books, though about half of them seem to be gear. I guess it's still one of those Nineties-style systems where gear is all important and they used to release fictional catalogues full of the stuff. | | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,144 Likes: 16 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,144 Likes: 16 | 2300 wasn't too bad. Greatly improved vs the classic Traveler.
But milage may vary as with all things. | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 Wobbly Headed Administrator | | Wobbly Headed Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 | So is Traveller more Star Trek or Star Wars, would you say, Pande? | | | | | Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,986 Likes: 9 Moderator | | Moderator Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,986 Likes: 9 | I always thought of Traveller more like if Robert Heinlein inspired an RPG. More "hard" sci-fi stuff. Do I have that right with the newer editions, Pande?
We played SpaceMaster back in the late 80s, the sci-fi equivalent of RoleMaster, but also used the nickname "SplatMaster" because it was just insanely deadly in combat. We lost the whole party to a grenade in the first session.
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| | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,144 Likes: 16 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,144 Likes: 16 | I would agree with Vryx. Star Wars is sci-fi fantasy, space opera, which is totally fun, but different. Star Trek is even more fantasy but with certain underpinnings that draw it a particular flavoristic way. (Not sure that is even a word. ) Traveller was intended to be more realistic, in its own vein. Never played SpaceMaster, not sure I need to with that TPK recommendation.  | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 Wobbly Headed Administrator | | Wobbly Headed Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 | Well I'm glad it's still in print. We need solid alternatives to Star Wars and Star Trek. Those two have become a little staid imo and of course the RPG licences are tightly controlled. For example, when FFG published their Star Wars games, they weren't allowed to sell PDFs because they only had rights to printed products. Awkward. | | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,144 Likes: 16 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,144 Likes: 16 | For example, when FFG published their Star Wars games, they weren't allowed to sell PDFs because they only had rights to printed products. Awkward. Wow I had no idea, but that is kinda screwed up. I get why they protect their intellectual property that way, but... as a serious pdf consumer, it leaves me without an option.
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| | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 Wobbly Headed Administrator | | Wobbly Headed Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,193 Likes: 10 | Absolutely. It made running an FFG Star Wars campaign online rather dependent on jolly roger PDFs, since it was impossible for players to sit around the table reading each others books.
Of course, this was the intention of the restriction. Technically playing online is "digital gaming", which is a much higher value licence than tabletop. | | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,144 Likes: 16 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,144 Likes: 16 | Another interesting.
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