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| | | | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 12,841 Likes: 23 Maris Imperium Moderator |  Maris Imperium Moderator Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 12,841 Likes: 23 | <checks> It's Tuesday. Next Wednesday is 8 days away.  Is it my turn? Looks like Sindar did something and we've all rolled for first wave effects. | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 Moderator | | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 | Your math is right. I should have said 6 day tri[ but when I'm back I have very loaded days Monday and Tuesday so... will be slow until Wendensday.
-Nep
| | | | | Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 10,783 Likes: 3 Administrator | | Administrator Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 10,783 Likes: 3 | Thank you. I was able to login and able to move my icon. I placed it back in original position. | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 Moderator | | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 | I need Sindar to decide who gets his inspiration. After that, everyone except for Arus can go before the big kahuna wave comes.
-Nep
| | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,245 Likes: 10 Wobbly Headed Administrator | | Wobbly Headed Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,245 Likes: 10 | Holy crap, could I finally get to shout COWABUNGA in a role-playing game!!? | | | | | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 12,841 Likes: 23 Maris Imperium Moderator | | Maris Imperium Moderator Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 12,841 Likes: 23 | Holy crap, could I finally get to shout COWABUNGA in a role-playing game!!? Isn't the correct term "Leeeeeeeeeeeeroy Jenkins!" ? | | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,800 Likes: 16 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,800 Likes: 16 | Yep, creating an account seemed to have solved the issue. I think went in and adjusted my profile name. All is well with the world. Well at least the Forge of the world. | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 Moderator | | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 | .... A collection of posts pulled from the game thread because they were cluttering things. Zeim:[ (OOC - Zhu has an Inspiration point. She can give it to Davroar to let him make his Nature roll with Advantage) ooc: Neptune:Zeim - Inspiration points are non-transferable. Zeim(OOC - Nep - Not according to WOTC. They highlight that numerous times in their D&D TV Series, 'Encounter Party'. The players are continuously giving their Inspiration Points to each other. That is where I got the idea from. However as it seems Bern succeeded we can skip it for now.) NeptuneZeim, that's a 2024 modification - not 2014. The only way to give another player your inspiration is if I gave you a second one, and you already have one (the max) you may give it to another player at that time. DMI removed this because it was all presumed. BernThen he got back to the more immediate threat. He returned his focus to the giant. He took a moment to set his Hunter's Mark on it and the attack again. MikeD rolled d20+9,d8+4,d20+9,d8+4 and got 29, 5, 27, 5 Aquadyne asked Neptune some questions. Here with replies: 1. Can you be more descriptive on the mudslide first wave (initiative 20) and mudslide hits (initiative 10)? I can see from the rolls that the first wave is enough to knock people off their feet, but just how big is the second one? 5 feet (one vertical grid)? 10 feet? Will it be strong enough to knock people over? Is this size obviously perceivable by those who may need to take actions to avoid/survive it?
Let's start with surprise and initiatives. Nobody is surprised right now. If you were surprised, you wouldn't get to go. With many traps and hazards things occur at specific initiative counts. Sindar's initiative was greater than what I call first wave so he could do something additionally preventative. You all were "worried" enough to dismount - a foreshadowing of a problem.
It's fair to ask about what is coming. I thought the IC description told you it was bad. You are going to get pounded with mud and in that mud are logs and rocks coming at you. Are you strong enough to stand your ground or are you going to get swept away?
2. Can we expect multiple waves in subsequent turns on these initiative counts? If so, are the multiple waves perceivable by those who may need to take actions to avoid/survive it? 
3. For those who are prone (including horses), can they use their movement to stand up between the init 20 and init 10 waves? For those who made the dex save and are not prone, can they move at all? We were already in difficult terrain. Is it now more difficult?
4. One of the SRD examples for the Wisdom (Survival) skill is to "avoid quicksand and other natural hazards." Would it be appropriate for Aubric (or anyone) to make such a roll to see if he is successful in knowing how to "avoid getting stuck in an ongoing imminent mudslide" (and shouting instructions to everyone else)? For example, I remember learning how to survive an avalanche while skiing. Alternately or in addition to, while I missed using perception to try to see it in advance, would trying to identify additional dangers/means to safety in the ongoing mudslide be an appropriate roll?
5. Is the mudslide a creature that can be targeted with spells (like a Mudslide Elemental)? Or an object that can be impacted by spells that say what objects interacting with it do (like Wind Wall)? [[ Yeah ... isn't there a giant in this fight?? ]] Uh, no, unless that's what Nep PM'd to you who caused the "unnatural" mudslide. And it's not your turn yet if it is.  Aqua:[Anyone within 10-ft of Arus gets +4 to their Dex Save. Aura of Protection. You're welcome! 
Arus gets 19 total for Dex Save, 12 total for Nature(Int) check.] Which would be Arus, Sindar, and the horse drawing the cart I presume? not-the-DM-but-I-play-one-on-TVOOC: Re-synchronizing everyone. There's been a lot of chatter and rolls and such, and questions split across both threads. Here's the situation as I understand it:
NOW: Nothing yet has happened but we see the mudslide coming down the hill. Bern has indicated that he thinks it is "not natural".
Initiative: Sindar needs to move. He indicated bardic inspiration but since nobody has been knocked over he needs to guess at who will need it. One would guess upcoming Dex and/or Str saves to stay above the mud, or Con saves if prone and buried in mud. If I were him I'd cast it on the horse pulling the wagon, but it's ultimately his call. An alternate choice is to make a ready action (ready movement to stand up if knocked prone, ready casting inspiration at someone who is knocked over, etc.)
After Sindar moves, the first wave hits and some of us (and/or our mounts) will be knocked prone. On our turns we can use our movement (difficult terrain so halved) and for those prone they need half that movement to stand up and optionally use an action. For those with a mount, also move your mount on your initiative.
We can keep doing that until we get to the second wave, where we'll wait for Nep to return and tell us what else is being thrown at us.
Sindar's turn.Note: I said I'll be slow. I always try to find time to post, if I can. I've got this. But Aqua's got it right. DMMiked, read your PM carefully. There was NO mention of a giant. (Cue the terrarasque) PandemoniumOOC: I rolled his save earlier. I can roll it again. If he hears Bern, which I don't think he can do anything till next round since Sindar went before him, he can try Counter Charm.] AquaOOC: It’s not the save. You have a turn/action before the wave hits/save applies. You can do nothing, ready an action on a trigger, or use an action. Pandemonium[OOC: Can't use Counter Charm if he doesn't know it is an unnatural event. That is why I offered the Inspiration Bonus. Someone might need that d8. His spell list is woefully inadequate for a mudslide. Open to suggestions?] AquaOOC: I suggest the horse pulling the wagon. DMWhere's there anyone being charmed???? Where's the giant???? Are you all reading some different threads?
-Nep
| | | | | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 12,841 Likes: 23 Maris Imperium Moderator | | Maris Imperium Moderator Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 12,841 Likes: 23 | Obviously this is some hill giant causing the mudslide to get our wagon and all its foodstuffs, based on other hill giant intel.  Of course, I'm not the DM so it's (very) likely something else entirely. | | | | | Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 10,783 Likes: 3 Administrator | | Administrator Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 10,783 Likes: 3 | Would an Earth elemental have any powers to help divert the mud slide away from people? | | | | | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 12,841 Likes: 23 Maris Imperium Moderator | | Maris Imperium Moderator Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 12,841 Likes: 23 | Would an Earth elemental have any powers to help divert the mud slide away from people? Doubtful but may be useful to burrow under mud to rescue anyone buried in it | | | | | Joined: Jan 2023 Posts: 8,270 Likes: 21 Coordinator of Chaos Moderator | | Coordinator of Chaos Moderator Joined: Jan 2023 Posts: 8,270 Likes: 21 | Noticed something on the character sheets... Pavel's recent advancement is not noted on it. www.dndbeyond.com/sheet-pdfs/johnrcarder_100894513.pdf | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 Moderator | | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 | I just looked at the sheet in the character builder on DnD Beyond. Even though the PC looks correctly updated, when I open the PDF it's wrong. Very strange. Maybe a cache thing? I'm not in a position to test properly but I'll refer back to the DnD Beyond character and not the PDF when I need to look something up.
-Nep
| | | | | Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,131 Likes: 13 (Buffalo) Moderator |  (Buffalo) Moderator Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,131 Likes: 13 | Just waiting for Zhu's turn. | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 80,941 Likes: 83 Wizop Administrator | | Wizop Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 80,941 Likes: 83 | Can't find the Invite Link to use in Forge - account created | | | | | Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,131 Likes: 13 (Buffalo) Moderator | | (Buffalo) Moderator Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,131 Likes: 13 | | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 80,941 Likes: 83 Wizop Administrator | | Wizop Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 80,941 Likes: 83 | Thanks! Got into the game, just awaiting what happens | | | | | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 12,841 Likes: 23 Maris Imperium Moderator | | Maris Imperium Moderator Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 12,841 Likes: 23 | Pande: [OOC: Objectively who has the lowest Dex save that Sindar would know? That is who the player wants to help out. Pavel? Arus? Davroar?] Aqua: OOC:
Aubric, Arus, Davroar* 0,
Kriv 1
Pavel 2
Sindar, Zhu, Zindra, Bern 3
Jaliera 5
Draft Horse 0
Riding Horse 0
Celestial Warhorse 1
Whisper 1 (but can fly)
* (Davroar can shapeshift into something with higher dex) Dugan: [ooc: I rolled a 20 for Davroar Dex save, so put the assist to someone else that needs it. ] Aqua: OOC: this choice is happening before any of the rolls so Sindar wouldn’t know who rolled what or who fails.
Also there will very likely be more save rolls in the future (probably str save for the main wave at initiative 10, or possibly con save next turn if you're smothered) that are more life threatening, not just this first Dex save that's easily recovered from with movement.
I still think either inspiring the horse tied to the cart Sindar and Arus are sitting in, that has a lot of the party's supplies, is a good choice, or a ready action, is the best option here. Pande: [OOC: I didn't say who might have failed, I said objectively who is the least prepared via his knowledge of traveling with them. Aqua:
OOC: Right. I was responding to Dugan who was giving information on the roll that hadn't yet occurred. Now that you've moved, the first wave hits and we can continue.
P.S. Thanks for the inspiring words!
| | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,245 Likes: 10 Wobbly Headed Administrator | | Wobbly Headed Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,245 Likes: 10 | Nep, are the updated lvl 8 character sheet PDFs at the same URL? Obviously the forum banner won't automatically update the links but I can do it if need be. | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 Moderator | | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 | Nem, oddly it's incorrect on DnDBeyond itself. I'll dig into this once I'm settled in back home in a few days.
-Nep
| | | | | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 12,841 Likes: 23 Maris Imperium Moderator | | Maris Imperium Moderator Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 12,841 Likes: 23 | Aqua: OOC: Before I move, I need to know the options with Boris.
You said Arus was driving which implies Boris has Arus's initiative under mounted combat rules, but then I didn't see Arus roll his Dex Save; I see you rolled that as DM which would imply Boris has his own initiative?
Given a creature can stand up from prone using their movement one would assume whoever is controlling Boris would do that, but if that's Arus it happens after the second wave hits. Aubric has enough movement to get to the horse and try to do something but if nothing can be done until after the second wave anyway, I might choose to do something else.
TLDR, Aubric has enough movement to get to Boris and wants to "help" Boris stand up but that doesn't require any help if Boris does it on its own (before the second wave). I also want to cast Bless on Borus, Arus, and Sindar, so I need to know if any help I offer will consume an action. DM: I rolled but Boris "belongs" to Arus and sadly he goes on Arus's lousy initiative. Going forward I will remember to remind Nem to "act" and roll for Boris. Aqua: OOC: so there is nothing I can do to prevent the horse from remaining prone until the second wave and increasing the risk of the wagon overturned? Can I lift it to its feet or do anything at all on my initiative without waiting for its initiative? Shove, perhaps? Some improvised action using STR + Animal Handling?
And you said "unless something is done, Boris will topple the wagon" but it doesn't seem like anything can be done? How is the wagon attached to the horse? Can that be disconnected with a dagger in the space of 6 seconds? Can I just hang on to the upstream side of the wagon to give it extra weight? What 'something' is possible here before initiative 10?
Finally, while I'm not fond of spending a 4th level spell, it might be worth it if Freedom of Movement would help. It would allow Boris to "automatically escape from nonmagical restraints". Would that include mud? Zeim: Horses are typically attached to a crosspiece (often in the shape of a "U" or a "T" for two horse wagons). They are attached by leather straps that should be able to be cut. Aqua does math and decides casting bless offers the best chance for the cart crew, and does the "hang on the edge of the cart" thing without bothering to wait for a ruling, hoping it helps but accepting otherwise | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 27,795 Likes: 1 Member | | Member Joined: May 2000 Posts: 27,795 Likes: 1 | A thought. Could an action be readied to try and bake the mud dry with dragon fire as it comes in?
Also, can the horses try to stand of their own accord? | | | | | Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,131 Likes: 13 (Buffalo) Moderator | | (Buffalo) Moderator Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,131 Likes: 13 | So with some people posting actions I am not sure when it is Zhu's turn, so please let me know. Also, on the map there are two pcs without names near Zhu. I believe Zindra is to Zhu's right but who is it to Zhu's left? | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,245 Likes: 10 Wobbly Headed Administrator | | Wobbly Headed Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 13,245 Likes: 10 | A thought. Could an action be readied to try and bake the mud dry with dragon fire as it comes in? I dunno but it'd look awesome! | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 Moderator | | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 | AJ A thought. Could an action be readied to try and bake the mud dry with dragon fire as it comes in? Futile Also, can the horses try to stand of their own accord? Yes. They will.
-Nep
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