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| | | Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,129 Likes: 13 (Buffalo) Moderator | (Buffalo) Moderator Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,129 Likes: 13 | | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,797 Likes: 16 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,797 Likes: 16 | Well I am thinking another bard level for Sindar. The trick is another point in an ability, like say Cha, to increase DCs, or a Feat.
I think I will ask the Grognards for 5E, suggestions?
Oh and a whine, DnD Beyond cheats. Go from 45 to 46 HP, that sucks! /Whine done.
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| | | | Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,129 Likes: 13 (Buffalo) Moderator | (Buffalo) Moderator Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,129 Likes: 13 | Usually it depends on whether you are at an even of odd number in the stat you want to raise. There are a number of feats that will give you some abilities and a +1 to a stat, so if your stat is odd that is usually the best way to go. If your stat is even then you need to bump it up 2 to get the benefit so usually do that. At least until you hit a 20 in your Prime stat. Then there's more benefit to taking a Feat. Oh, and Zhu's HPs balances yours. Got max#.
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| | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,797 Likes: 16 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,797 Likes: 16 | Well his Cha is 19, so 1 would get it to 20. | | | | Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,129 Likes: 13 (Buffalo) Moderator | (Buffalo) Moderator Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,129 Likes: 13 | If it is already 19 then I'd find a Feat that will bump the CHA by +1 as well as give you other benefits. There are some. If you go to the Character Builder in Beyond you can look at the list and choose one. | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,797 Likes: 16 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,797 Likes: 16 | I think Spell Sniper with the bonus to Cha would be good. | | | | Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,129 Likes: 13 (Buffalo) Moderator | (Buffalo) Moderator Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,129 Likes: 13 | Unless our co-DMs rule differently, you can't take the New (2024) Spell Sniper, only the Legacy (2014) Spell Sniper Feat. The Legacy Feat does NOT provide a +1 to CHA so that one is likely out of the running. Some other Feats (that should be allowable) that offer +1 to CHA are:
- Fey Touched: Increase your Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma score by 1, to a maximum of 20. You learn the misty step spell and one 1st-level spell of your choice. The 1st-level spell must be from the divination or enchantment school of magic. You can cast each of these spells without expending a spell slot. Once you cast either of these spells in this way, you can’t cast that spell in this way again until you finish a long rest. You can also cast these spells using spell slots you have of the appropriate level. The spells’ spellcasting ability is the ability increased by this feat.
- Shadow Touched: Increase your Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma score by 1, to a maximum of 20. You learn the invisibility spell and one 1st-level spell of your choice. The 1st-level spell must be from the illusion or necromancy school of magic. You can cast each of these spells without expending a spell slot. Once you cast either of these spells in this way, you can’t cast that spell in this way again until you finish a long rest. You can also cast these spells using spell slots you have of the appropriate level. The spells’ spellcasting ability is the ability increased by this feat.
- Telekenetic: Increase your Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma score by 1, to a maximum of 20. You learn the mage hand cantrip. You can cast it without verbal or somatic components, and you can make the spectral hand invisible. If you already know this spell, its range increases by 30 feet when you cast it. Its spellcasting ability is the ability increased by this feat. As a bonus action, you can try to telekinetically shove one creature you can see within 30 feet of you. When you do so, the target must succeed on a Strength saving throw (DC 8 + your proficiency bonus + the ability modifier of the score increased by this feat) or be moved 5 feet toward you or away from you. A creature can willingly fail this save.
- Telepathic: Increase your Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma score by 1, to a maximum of 20. You can speak telepathically to any creature you can see within 60 feet of you. Your telepathic utterances are in a language you know, and the creature understands you only if it knows that language. Your communication doesn’t give the creature the ability to respond to you telepathically. You can cast the detect thoughts spell, requiring no spell slot or components, and you must finish a long rest before you can cast it this way again. Your spellcasting ability for the spell is the ability increased by this feat. If you have spell slots of 2nd level or higher, you can cast this spell with them.
So these are the only ones that increase CHA and offer something beneficial. There are others that don't increase your stats that have some good benefits, but I'd wait on those for later.
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| | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 Moderator | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 | So, I need to be clearer than I was earlier.
You cannot take any 2024 stuff in DnDBeyond.
I'll be carefully reviewing everything before we move on to make sure it's correct. There will be no blame or whining when things change. We'll work through it together. Maybe, at some point when things stabilize, we'll go 2024. But for now, we're stuck in the time warp known as 2014.
So, when you go to pick stuff (feats, classes, spells, items, etc.) be careful to make sure it's 2014 aka "Legacy". Of course, the 2024 selections fall first in the drop-downs. You have to scroll all the way down the selection list to find 2014 things.
Last edited by Neptune; Sun 03/11/2024 02:55 UTC.
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| | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 Moderator | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 | Pande, There's a 2014 version of Spell sniper. Compare the two here: Spell Sniper (2014): You have learned techniques to enhance your attacks with certain kinds of spells, gaining the following benefits: - When you cast a spell that requires you to make an attack roll, the spell’s range is doubled.
- Your ranged spell attacks ignore half cover and three-quarters cover.
- You learn one cantrip that requires an attack roll. Choose the cantrip from the bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard spell list. Your spellcasting ability for this cantrip depends on the spell list you chose from: Charisma for bard, sorcerer, or warlock; Wisdom for cleric or druid; or Intelligence for wizard.
Spell Sniper (2024): General Feat (Prerequisite: Level 4+, Spellcasting or Pact Magic Feature) You gain the following benefits: - Ability Score Increase. Increase your Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma score by 1, to a maximum of 20.
- Bypass Cover. Your attack rolls for spells ignore Half Cover and Three-Quarters Cover.
Casting in Melee. Being within 5 feet of an enemy doesn’t impose Disadvantage on your attack rolls with spells. - ncreased Range. When you cast a spell that has a range of at least 10 feet and requires you to make an attack roll, you can increase the spell’s range by 60 feet.
So in 2024 you get the 1 point ASI and in 2014 you get the extra attacking cantrip. Alternatively, without the feat, you can go to 20 in Charisma and add 1 to something like Constitution for your next ASI. | | | | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 12,840 Likes: 23 Maris Imperium Moderator | Maris Imperium Moderator Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 12,840 Likes: 23 | Leveled up Aubric. Took the Resilient Feat with Constitution, giving me a +1 to that score (useless for now) and proficiency on con saves (useful +3 on those rolls).
Still figuring out what additional spell to prepare but that can wait and/or change through RP. | | | | Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 10,783 Likes: 3 Administrator | Administrator Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 10,783 Likes: 3 | I have updated Davroar's character sheet. | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,797 Likes: 16 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,797 Likes: 16 | Ah ok, well then I need to do more research.  | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 27,795 Likes: 1 Member | Member Joined: May 2000 Posts: 27,795 Likes: 1 | Leveled up on D&D beyond. Took the Elemental Adept (fire) feat, as that seemed most apt given Kriv's recent experiences. | | | | Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,129 Likes: 13 (Buffalo) Moderator | (Buffalo) Moderator Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,129 Likes: 13 | I raised Zhu's CHA to 20 (she had taken the Alert Feat at pc creation time). Swapped out some Meta Magic and Spells and added a new spell. | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 80,931 Likes: 83 Wizop Administrator | Wizop Administrator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 80,931 Likes: 83 | | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 Moderator | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 | AJ, I added the lightning runestone to Kriv. I also deleted about 400 arrows (you must've gone click happy) and got you down to 20. I promise not to track your arrows crazily. You took the 2024 version of Elemental Adept. As stated above, the 2014 version does not provide a stat bump (you chose Intelligence). You need to adjust. Elemental Adept 2024, pg. 203 Ability Score Increase. Int., Wis., or Cha. increased by 1.
Energy Mastery. Choose one of the following damage types: Acid, Cold, Fire, Lightning, or Thunder. Spells you cast ignore Resistance to damage of the chosen type. In addition, when you roll damage for a spell you cast that deals damage of that type, you can treat any 1 on a damage die as a 2.
Repeatable. You can take this feat more than once, but you must choose a different damage type each time for Energy Mastery. Elemental Adept (Fire) Player’s Handbook (2014) Prerequisite: The ability to cast at least one spell When you gain this feat, you gain the following benefits:
Spells you cast ignore resistance to fire damage. In addition, when you roll damage for a spell you cast that deals fire damage, you can treat any 1 on a damage die as a 2. You can select this feat multiple times. Each time you do so, you must choose a different damage type.
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| | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 Moderator | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 | OK. Just seeing some confusion about the groups let me restate here as we're that close...
Group 1 - Neptune DM (no humans allowed!) Arus - Triton Paladin (Oath of Conquest) Aubric - Elf Cleric (Life Domain) Kriv - Dragonborn Fighter (Eldritch Knight) Sindar - Half-elf Bard (College of Lore) Zhu - Elf Sorcerer (Draconic Bloodline)
Group 2 - Aquadyne DM (only Humans and a half-blood allowed) Bern - Human Ranger (Hunter) Davroar - Human Druid (Circle of the Moon) Jaliera - Human Rogue (Arcane Trickster) Pavel - Human Wizard (War Magic) / Fighter (Battlemaster) Zindra - Half-Elf Ranger (Hunter)
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| | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,797 Likes: 16 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,797 Likes: 16 | Ya know that makes it so much more clear in my brain.
Thanks! | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,797 Likes: 16 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,797 Likes: 16 | I am thinking Fey Touched but still considering. | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 27,795 Likes: 1 Member | Member Joined: May 2000 Posts: 27,795 Likes: 1 | AJ, I added the lightning runestone to Kriv. I also deleted about 400 arrows (you must've gone click happy) and got you down to 20. I promise not to track your arrows crazily.
You took the 2024 version of Elemental Adept. As stated above, the 2014 version does not provide a stat bump (you chose Intelligence). You need to adjust. It didn't exactly give me a choice. Since the stat point is an odd number it is almost completely moot in any case: Long before it has any sort of relevance, all the 2024 kerfuffle will be long behind us, and it impacts no modifiers. We can take it as read it simply isn't there until the versions align. | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 Moderator | OP Moderator Joined: May 2000 Posts: 18,574 Likes: 7 | It didn't exactly give me a choice. It certainly didn't make the choice easy to find. See the 30 second clip to see how. You are, by default, pointed to the 2024 choices. You must scroll all the way down to find legacy (2014) choices. Choosing a legacy feat
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| | | | Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,129 Likes: 13 (Buffalo) Moderator | (Buffalo) Moderator Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 23,129 Likes: 13 | Most of the feats now have a date in brackets (like "2024" or "2014") or the word "Legacy" next to it, at least as far as the Basic Rules Feats go. But in the drop down list there are headings and groupings for them and the Legacy ones are all the way at the bottom. There's a different view as well that is alphabetized, and there the Legacy Feat is right next to the new one but it says "Legacy". | | | | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 27,795 Likes: 1 Member | Member Joined: May 2000 Posts: 27,795 Likes: 1 | | | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,797 Likes: 16 Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator | Chaotic Obfuscator Moderator Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,797 Likes: 16 | Nep I know you are retired, but you shouldn't have to eat Fried Keyboard! | | | | Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 12,840 Likes: 23 Maris Imperium Moderator | Maris Imperium Moderator Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 12,840 Likes: 23 | OOC: No worries. How's this. I think you all had horses unless you specifically say you don't. OOC: Aubric purchased an inexpensive draft horse prior to leaving town. If it was just the day's walk he'd have gone on foot but with a long trek coming up he doesn't want to be the one slowing the party down by 12%.  | | |
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